Roz Kaveney ([info]rozk) wrote,

The tragedy of unforeseen things that should have been foreseen

There are lots of ways of talking about this.

The simplest is the best.

All of the religious factions and militias and Kurdish nationalists and government police in Iraq have one thing that they can agree on, which is killing queers.

Most weeks, three or four people are hacked, stoned, burned or shot to death for being lesbian, gay, bi or trans. The highest Shia religious dignitary Sistani has again promulgated a fatwa calling for the execution of all non-repentant LGBT people - people talk of him as a liberal and in this degree he is - he allows people to repent on pain of death when most of his rivals would just kill. Contacted by the UN about this campaign of murder, the Iraqi government has refused to acknowledge that it is even a problem.

This is a direct consequence of the war - the Saddam regime, vile as it was, was secular in this respect, just as the Ba'athists in Syria still are. No-one does well in a totalitarian state, but LGBT folk were left alone, mostly.

Those who survive, flee. Through a network of safe houses and incredibly brave people and escape routes to the West.

The British home office is disinclined to regard the likelihood of being murdered by a variety of non-state agents as persecution, because it is not the government that is doing it. The leaders of the diaspora queer community are under death threats - again from Sistani - and live under police protection of a moderately minimal kind.

When troops leave, as leave they will in the runup to the British and American elections, there will be no change, except possibly for the worse.

One of the diaspora spoke to us at Translondon this evening.

He said something amazingly moving to the effect that this is not a movement of Resistance so much as a movement of Existence. Because when everyone wants to kill you, staying alive is the most radical form of resistance possible.

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[info]debg

August 21 2007, 23:59:58 UTC 4 years ago

Sweetie, I'm posting the link to this elsewhere (my own private board community). I think all of them are on my own lj friendslist here, but I want them to see this. Because it seriously is NOT being spoken about widely enough.

[info]abostick59

August 22 2007, 00:07:54 UTC 4 years ago

Because despite everthing I am still immersed in het privilege, this never occurred to me. But once you call it to my attention it is so completely obvious.

Sad, angry-making, chilling, creepy. But obvious.

[info]autopope

August 22 2007, 00:21:58 UTC 4 years ago

Do you mind if I appropriate this for my main blog? (With attribution/linkback, of course. If you want.)

[info]nancylebov

August 22 2007, 00:47:07 UTC 4 years ago

this is not a movement of Resistance so much as a movement of Existence. Because when everyone wants to kill you, staying alive is the most radical form of resistance possible.

Thanks for quoting that--it's a great answer to the idea that risking death is the only important sort of heroism.

[info]rozk

August 22 2007, 08:29:27 UTC 4 years ago

I would be very very glad if people post this as widely as possible - there is a page on Facebook which you can get to from mine.

[info]andrewhickey

August 22 2007, 15:10:23 UTC 4 years ago

Yet there are still people out there who claim the war as some sort of 'progressive' cause...

[info]rosefox

August 23 2007, 19:10:22 UTC 4 years ago

May I post this to [info]readers_list?

[info]rozk

August 26 2007, 18:43:58 UTC 4 years ago

By all means

[info]rosefox

August 27 2007, 04:09:09 UTC 4 years ago

Done. Thank you. It's good to get the word out about this.

[info]transadvocate

August 24 2007, 11:08:55 UTC 4 years ago

WOW, we're (the US) some liberators! Freedom to all (some exclusions apply, see US warranty for details, but don't say a word about or we'll invade your country too).

Peter Tatchell's doing amazing work at: http://www.petertatchell.net/ getting the atrocities of GLBT people publicized (as well as putting his life on the line often).

[info]rozk

August 26 2007, 18:43:15 UTC 4 years ago

Peter is both some kind of genius and most kinds of saint, much as he would hate to be told so...

[info]tartful_dodger

October 25 2007, 09:51:53 UTC 4 years ago

But he's also seen as racist by a lot of BME queers.

I personally know BME people who have boycotted/made strong complaints to event organisers that choose to have him involved in their stuff.

[info]rozk

October 25 2007, 10:35:49 UTC 4 years ago

What are their grounds for that accusation? Note, I am not saying they have none, but genuinely asking. Also, BME? not an acronym I know.

[info]rozk

October 25 2007, 10:39:31 UTC 4 years ago

OK, Black and Minority Ethnic. I know now.

[info]tartful_dodger

October 25 2007, 10:53:02 UTC 4 years ago

Black minority ethnic.

I'm not really qualified to go into big details about what the issue with him is (I'm only quite vaguely aware of him generally) but I think it comes down to demonising non white cultures as homophobic in a way that he doesn't extend to white culture, taking things from a perspective that white culture as being the normal one and more civilised and that freedom of sexual and gender expression are white ideals that have to be foisted onto other cultures. etc etc.

Generally the complaints I've heard have been about him alienating BME queers in that sort of way, taking it as White culture having to civilise less advanced cultures rather than helping to support their own efforts of liberation, and right to autonomy and self organising.

As far as I know it comes down to white middle class people thinking that they know best to speak for BME queers rather than giving them a platform to raise the issues that they want raised and to have their own voices heard.

Like I said its not something I've looked into all tha closely because I didn't know much about him beforehand, but that's how it was explained to me in broad terms.

I'm not saying that white people shouldn't be involved in BME issues, especially when there's an obvious connection (queer activists should be fighting for the rights of all queers, not just people of their own race) but in some cases it should be recognised that we're there as allies..

I guess its sort of like the difference between a cis person supporting Press For Change and a cis person randomly deciding to set up their own capaign for trans-emancipation without actually letting transpeople ever really speak for themselves, make their own demands, etc etc.

I hope I'm making sense, as its something that I've only had explained to me in vague principle.

[info]thesideshow

October 25 2007, 11:22:49 UTC 4 years ago

I argue with Peter all the time about censorship, but this seems to me a completely wrong complaint.

Peter criticizes every nation or culture, including his own, when they do anything anti-gay. Period.

And the idea that he decides to set up his own campaign "without actually letting [...] people ever really speak for themselves" is just silly. There is absolutely nothing that Peter does that prevents people from speaking for themselves. No more than he stops me from disagreeing with his urge to censor people's anti-LBGT views.

[info]kshandra

October 25 2007, 04:58:31 UTC 4 years ago

[info]abostick59 said it better than I could have.

Crossposted to [info]bipolypagangeek.

[info]dichroic

October 25 2007, 08:14:29 UTC 4 years ago

Don't worry about it. Like in Iran, they don't have any of *those* people there. < \bitter >

Sometimes the most you can do is to try to survive. Any aid from outside has got to help, but people can't help a situation they don't know about, so thak you for posting this. The more awareness, the better.

I think the next step after survival is to play Horton and the Whos, to chant "We are here, we are here, we are here, we are HERE!" I hope they get there soon. And one day soon I hope the LGBT people in my own country can get past that stage, to where living one's own life doesn't have to be a political statement any more.

[info]nevikmoore

December 21 2007, 19:30:17 UTC 4 years ago

This is an eloquent post on a largely ignored matter. I found it through my friend's blog, which is well frequented so you should start making more friends soon - and, more importantly, this issue will get more notice.

FYI - A quick google search hit upon this blog, Iraqi LGBT. The blogger-activists update sporadically (understandable given their situation) but they are relatively current and very informative. Certainly worth checking out for getting more information on this issue.

Also, the NY Times ran an article on this issue on Tuesday.
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