Roz Kaveney ([info]rozk) wrote,

By popular demand...

First, the Martin interview

It has been a five year wait, and it is not precisely over yet....

Many of us have been addicted to George R.R.Martin's 'Song of Ice and Fire' ever since the first volume, ' A Game of Kings'. For those who have not, imagine an almost completely unprettified mediaeval world where treachery and torture are routine, and chivalry and honour are mostly just words. Virtuous characters do terrible things; less often, villains repent. There is magic in this world, but only once things start to fall apart, and there used to be dragons, and might be again. One of the few rules of genre fantasy Martin obeys is that his book comes in many volumes. Years apart.

'I planned to move forward five years after the end of 'A Storm of Swords', so that my younger characters had a chance to mature into adults. Only that didn't work so well - either people turned out to have spent five years doing nothing, or I had to put everything into flashbacks. And by the time I accepted that this didn't work, I had lost a year on stuff I had to scrap.'

And 'A Feast for Crows' is only half the book we were expecting. Each volume of the sequence has been longer, and this time, rather than cut all of his storylines off at a particular point in time, Martin has put half of his characters in this book and those of us obsessed with the mad empress Daenerys or the sarcastic dwarf Tyrion will have to wait another eighteen months or so. 'There are problems with doing it this way, of course. Ideally, the problems Daenerys has with the empire she holds down by force would be counterpointed with the kingdom Sersei is wrecking with pettiness, madness with folly.'

There is nothing allegorical or satirical about these books. The half-smart doomed gambits of Queen Sersei and their unforeseen consequences are not a reference to the real world, yet ' I live in the same world as that moron George W., and that has to have an impact.' One of the things Martin wanted to point out in these books is a point often neglected in fantasy, which is that ruling is hard work, which is not less true because Bush once said it. 'Tolkien assumes, a little, that because Aragorn is the rightful king, he can rule effectively just by being a good man. It's not enough to be good, or smart, or well-meaning. You have to be lucky, and you have to get taxes in.'

There are obvious historical analogies in these books to actual European history - bits of the Wars of the Roses, or the Hundred Years War, or the Albigensian Crusade. 'It's always a mix-and- match approach, and anyone who thinks that by identifying my source material they can predict my plot is going to be severely misled.' Tyrion, for example, is not Richard III, even if he has, by this point, an even worse reputation. What is most authentically mediaeval is the technology of armour and weapons; Martin does not do combat reconstruction but he has friends in that world who stop him doing anything very stupid. The siege in 'A Feast for Crows' is authentically drawn-out and grubby, though individual combats tend to take more time than they strictly speaking should -' in this sort of combat, the first person to make a mistake is dead, and there's no fun in that.'

Martin works with the practicalities of his world. 'In a world where combat consists of hitting each other with sharpened six foot bars of steel, you can't have a woman warrior who fits any cute stereotype. Brienne, the woman warrior here, cannot fight effectively, and be considered beautiful, because she needs to have upper body strength.' Choices have to be made, and from people's choices within the limits their world allows them, we get large parts of their characters.

Another consequence of working within the mediaeval is the way people talk. If they sound too modern, that's a problem, but anything like the sheer formality of mediaeval speech would alienate most audiences - 'you have to walk a fine line. One of my early editors on these books said that he had a problem with the word 'mayhap' because every time he came across it, he was worried that a 'forsooth' might be lurking nearby. Generally, I use the archaic to characterize my older characters - the older generation might say 'mayhap' and younger people tend to say 'maybe'. I've had to train my copy editors to let me be the judge of all this.'

'A Feast for Crows' is not the best way into Martin's world; that remains 'A Game of Thrones' which sets the rules and introduces characters with whom we find ourselves cheerfully spending hundreds of pages. 'Crows' is another splendid instalment, and one which reminds us that, bleak as the first book was, by the fourth it has got gloomier, with three more volumes to go.


And then a biography of Anthony Burgess
The Real Life of Anthony Burgess
by Andrew Bissell
(Picador 434 pp £20.00)

reviewed by Roz Kaveney

There are few titles as double-edged as this. Is this biography of Burgess the 'real life' by contrast with the passionately hostile one by Roger Lewis (Faber £9.99), or by contrast with the childish fabrications with which Burgess constantly decorated his back-story? If for nothing else, Bissell would deserve praise for the good-tempered patience with which he disentangles the truth from the tangle of myths which drove Lewis to blind rage..

One of Burgess's best-known claims is that he wrote himself from talent into genius as the result of a mistaken diagnosis of a brain tumour. This appears to be almost entirely untrue, and the novels of this period, three books in a year, are less good than his earlier straightforward ones about colonial Malaya. There is a similar shakiness about most of Burgess's self-analyses, though the early death of his mother frin the Influenza of 1919 was probably indeed the wound from which he never quite recovered.

Bissell and Lewis agree that Lynne, Burgess' drunken first wife, was a mad and bad woman who inflicted on Burgess psychic wounds from which he never entirely recovered. Both regard her infidelities as somehow worse than Burgess's -the implied moralism of this is sickening. Lynne's alcoholism was in large part a response to a brutal and disabling assault and probable rape by a trio of GIs. This is the attack which Burgess utilized as the central incident of 'A Clockwork Orange'. Whatever damage Lynne caused Burgess, it needs remembering that she had to live with him...

Bissell's biography is written from the standpoint of someone who admires much of Burgess' work; Lewis regards him as a pompous charlatan. What they share is a tendency to skim over the last two decades of the life and work and public appearances; Burgess the public man with staggeringly reactionary views on some subjects is hardly present in either. Bissell's is a sensible and measured life, Lewis's an impassioned diatribe. As someone who met Burgess, and loathed him, I find Lewis's portrait more appealing.

I met Burgess when I did an After Dark with him and Andrea Dworkin, and it remains worth saying that he was so dreadful that Dworkin and I formed an alliance against him...

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[info]paratti

November 3 2005, 00:53:36 UTC 6 years ago

Great reviews:)

Anonymous

November 3 2005, 03:00:06 UTC 6 years ago

I've only read two of them so what do I know, but isn't it "Cersei"?

[info]rozk

November 4 2005, 00:19:31 UTC 6 years ago

Almost certainly - I am a klutz sometimes.

[info]calimac

November 3 2005, 07:09:08 UTC 6 years ago

"Tolkien assumes, a little, that because Aragorn is the rightful king, he can rule effectively just by being a good man."

Not quite. Tolkien's assumption is that being the rightful king is what makes Aragorn capable of ruling well. It's a combination of literally God-given abilities and the respect due him. (For you can't rule well without being respected, as W is beginning to learn.)

Of course I don't believe it works this way in the real world, and neither did Tolkien, but there's room for this kind of fantasy as well as the grubby hyperrealistic Martinesque kind.

[info]guest_informant

November 3 2005, 07:49:30 UTC 6 years ago

But what do you think of Burgess's later writings?

[info]rozk

November 4 2005, 00:22:44 UTC 6 years ago

Earthly Powers is a good read, but in a trashy way. The others I don't especially care for, or actively dislike. 1985 is obnoxious; Napoleon Symphony is overwrought; Any Old Iron is crude.

And the essays suffer from that endless claim of omniscience - I speak as someone probably closer to omniscience than Burgess and trying to avoid swanking about it.

[info]guest_informant

November 4 2005, 15:44:51 UTC 6 years ago

I recall quite liking Earthly Powers, but then I read it fifteen years ago. Should reread it, sooner or later. Then, The End of the World News also had some hilarious moments...

[info]supergee

November 3 2005, 12:26:24 UTC 6 years ago

Burgess's writing has given me a lot of pleasure, so I'm sorry to hear that meeting him was so ghastly. (As I think about it, though, I can see elements in his thought that make that likely.)

I wonder how many novelists' origin stories rank among their better fictions. Heinlein's tale of hearing about an sf story contest and suddenly deciding to try his hand at writing was totally fraudulent.

[info]dmsherwood53

November 3 2005, 12:44:14 UTC 6 years ago

I like Martin but....

This series doesn't do it for me .LIKELY I'm doing the critical sin of reading it as a type of book George didn't want to write this time. Pray for me.
For me there isn't enuf magic by which I don't mean Harry Potter stuff but an intensdified vision which is what Romances are about for me. There a good passages but they occur 50 pages or so apart . To much routine swordfighting slogging thru Icy wastes wresling with the icky monster from the Slime Pit. If those are the good bits for you go too it.

Anonymous

November 3 2005, 16:44:42 UTC 6 years ago

You have the title of the first volume wrong in the second paragraph.

I liked the first two volumes of the series, but I realized I had a problem with the second. Generally I re-read a tightly-connected series when a new volume comes out or I find I can't remember enough details. This seemed particularly necessary for Song of Ice and Fire given the size of the cast and the number of subplots, but I couldn't quite face the prospect of re-reading the first volume 4 times, the second 3, etc. So I have resolved to not read it until the last volume is out, which on the current schedule means I will likely be retired and have plenty of time to do so (I'm 36 now).

Dan Blum
tool@panix.com

[info]rozk

November 4 2005, 00:23:56 UTC 6 years ago

I know - I amalgamated two books, easily done since the title I actually put is the first of the Dorothy Dunnett novels. which I had asked George whether he had read...

[info]hippoiathanatoi

November 10 2005, 13:06:37 UTC 6 years ago

Hi,

Found this view Feedster. I think George has said in the past that he had tried Niccolo, but hadn't gotten to the Lymond books. Has he corrected this since?

Excellent write up, though it's Cersei, not Sersei. One thing I did want to clarify, though... :

"Ideally, the problems Daenerys has with the empire she holds down by force would be counterpointed with the kingdom Sersei is wrecking with pettiness, madness with folly."

Is that an exact quote? I assume yes, but the association of Daenerys with madness is a very remarkable statement from George!

Thanks for putting this up.

Cheers,

Elio García
Westeros.org

Anonymous

November 8 2005, 10:19:17 UTC 6 years ago

Burgess

While we're on the topic of shaky detail, wasn't the writer of the new biography called Biswell, not Bissell?

Anonymous

January 14 2006, 15:27:47 UTC 6 years ago

Cersei

Is she the biggest moron of a character ever. She is so petty and silly. I really thought catelyn stark was bad till i got cersei pov. I would go as far as say she's a bigger fool than elaida in the wheel of time series.

[info]storytellersjem

April 7 2006, 01:48:08 UTC 6 years ago

Well said about GRRM.
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